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Noah Kagan02 June 2022

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take17:00

It's easier to garden than to hunt

Kagan reframes audience-building as gardening rather than hunting. A garden takes time and requires planting seeds, but then reliably produces vegetables right there at home. Hunting means going out hoping to find something and asking for things right away, with no guarantee. The point: start planting seeds now — a blog, a body of work — so you can harvest relationships and opportunities later instead of scrambling for them.

  • Gardening is slow but reliable; hunting is uncertain
  • Plant seeds now to harvest opportunities later
  • A long-standing blog or body of work compounds
  • An existing audience makes everything else easier

it's much easier to garden than to hunt

Noah Kagan · 17:00
#audience#patience#content#mental-model
Hot Take48:00

Monetizing a passion sharpens it — the muffin test

Abdaal defends monetizing passions: not that every passion must be monetized, but that charging money adds a dimension of fun and focus. He learned close-up magic alone in front of a webcam, but performing it live — volunteering at a hospice, then a scary paid restaurant gig — changed the game. Selling your muffins, not just baking them, forces you to improve the things that actually matter to an audience.

  • You needn't monetize every passion, but it can help
  • Charging money adds fun and forces focus
  • Performing live exposed his real weaknesses
  • Selling the output sharpens what matters to others

if you can monetize somehow the things that you're doing anyway then life just becomes more interesting

Ali Abdaal · 48:30
#passion#monetization#skill#creators
Hot Take57:30

No apologies, no permission

Kagan's closing philosophy: we're trained by parents and school to seek permission and to apologise for pursuing what we want. But the internet has no rules — no one stops you from uploading to YouTube or starting a newsletter. He argues an entrepreneur can never be satisfied, because dissatisfaction is what drives you to solve problems and create; so follow your heart, without apologising and without waiting for permission.

  • We're conditioned to seek permission and apologise
  • The internet has no gatekeepers — just start
  • Entrepreneurs are driven by dissatisfaction
  • Follow your heart with no apologies and no permission

it's no apologies without permission

Noah Kagan · 58:00
#permission#autonomy#entrepreneurship#mindset

Explainer· 1

Explainer05:30

What made Zuckerberg exceptional: detail plus a huge vision

Kagan credits Zuckerberg with two things. First, unparalleled attention to detail — he would notice a hyperlinked period on a help page and get it fixed. Second, and more overlooked, a vision so big and appealing that people dedicated their lives to it: in 2005, having just rejected a billion-dollar Yahoo offer, he declared Facebook would connect every person in the world. Kagan says a compelling, oversized vision is what most struggling founders lack.

  • Zuckerberg's attention to detail was unparalleled
  • He rejected a billion-dollar Yahoo offer at 21-22
  • In 2005 he vowed to connect every person on earth
  • A big, appealing vision makes people dedicate their lives

he had a vision that was so appealing and so big that i dedicated my life to working there

Noah Kagan · 06:00
#leadership#vision#zuckerberg#facebook

Story· 4

Story09:30

Getting fired from Facebook by Zuckerberg's team

As employee number 30 at Facebook, Kagan was fired at a Palo Alto coffee shop by Matt Kohler and another colleague. His work phone was taken, so he bought a new one and a pack of cigarettes, packed up the house he shared with Facebook staff and moved to a friend's couch. He believes the firing was justified and that it created a chip on his shoulder that drove his later success.

  • He was employee number 30, fired at a coffee shop
  • His Facebook phone was confiscated on the spot
  • He agrees the firing was the right call
  • The setback created a productive chip on his shoulder

i think chips on shoulder create successful people

Noah Kagan · 09:30

i think that they were right to fire me i think if i was mark and that team i would have fired me too

Noah Kagan · 10:00
#facebook#fired#setback#resilience
Story08:30

The ice cream maker who stopped eating ice cream

At a New York dinner party Kagan met an ice cream maker and asked how much ice cream she ate a day; she hadn't eaten any in two years. The lesson: turning something you love into your full-time work can strip away your enjoyment of it. His resolution is to find work you enjoy that makes money, but to protect separate hobbies purely for stimulation — like his chess.

  • Making a passion your job can kill your love for it
  • Find enjoyable work that also makes money
  • Keep hobbies protected purely for stimulation
  • Abdaal agrees full-time YouTube could lose its charm

sometimes if you do something you love so much you don't even end up liking it

Noah Kagan · 08:30
#passion#hobbies#burnout#work-life
Story18:30

Three years of his head fighting his heart

Kagan admits that for three years his head talked him out of the content work his heart loved, telling him he was 'just another talking influencer', not helpful, not enough — and worrying his high school friends would judge him. He argues this head-versus-heart fight is what keeps people from their calling, and that you only stop feeling behind when you follow your gut and revisit what you genuinely loved doing.

  • His head dismissed the content work his heart loved
  • Self-conscious fears (even about his 'pointy ears') held him back
  • The head-heart conflict blocks people from their calling
  • Following the heart is when you stop feeling behind

that's our head kind of fighting our heart

Noah Kagan · 19:30
#self-doubt#calling#authenticity#content
Story34:00

Directing a play taught Abdaal no one is really watching you

Abdaal shares his biggest growth experience: being asked to co-direct the Cambridge medical school pantomime despite zero theatre experience. Wracked with imposter syndrome, he realised everyone else was too worried about their own lines to judge him — no one even knew he was inexperienced. That liberating gotcha moment pushed him to branch his YouTube channel beyond medicine into whatever he enjoyed.

  • He co-directed a play with no theatre experience
  • Imposter syndrome dominated every rehearsal
  • Everyone was too worried about themselves to judge him
  • The realisation freed him to broaden his content

everyone is just worried about themselves ... they're not looking at me and thinking that guy's got no experience

Ali Abdaal · 34:30
#imposter-syndrome#comfort-zone#growth#youtube

Takeaway· 7

Takeaway02:00

Take as many risks as you can while you're young

Kagan argues the best time to start businesses is when you have time and little to lose. In college he launched a discount card business, a consulting firm and a Craigslist for students — most failed, but the risk-taking capacity itself fades with age. As you get older you get boring, safe and scared of losing, so bold action is cheapest early.

  • Young people have time and minimal downside
  • Most of his early ventures failed but taught him
  • Risk tolerance shrinks as you age and acquire things to lose
  • When there's less to lose, go out and be bold

take a lot of risks as many risks as you can because you get older we get boring and we get safe and we get…

Noah Kagan · 02:30
#risk#youth#entrepreneurship#college
Takeaway06:30

Do now the work you'd do if you already had a million

Kagan's test for finding the right work: figure out what you'd do if you had a million dollars in the bank and didn't have to work — then do that now, because doing it is what earns the million. Abdaal ties it to his lottery question for doctors: half say they'd leave medicine, half would stay but go part-time. The follow-up — why not go part-time today — reveals the bills-and-mortgage trap that keeps people in unfulfilling work.

  • Identify the work you'd do even without needing money
  • Doing that work now is what produces the money
  • Abdaal asks people if they'd still work after winning the lottery
  • Bills and mortgages trap people in work they'd otherwise quit

find the thing that you do if you have a million dollars in the bank and guess what by doing that you'll actually get the…

Noah Kagan · 07:00
#purpose#work#financial-freedom#fulfilment
Takeaway20:00

Use jealousy as a compass, not a verdict on being behind

For anyone who feels behind, Kagan reframes jealousy as useful data. Jealousy is a compass pointing to what you either want or don't want in life — he notes a friend making far more millions, even though Kagan still drives a Miata and barely uses money. Rather than comparing yourself to peers, treat the feeling as clarity about where you actually want to be, then, like using Google Maps, decide the destination first and the route becomes easy.

  • Feeling behind is really a comparison to peers
  • Jealousy signals what you want or don't want
  • Decide the destination before worrying about the route
  • Set a short concrete target, e.g. where to be by month end

jealousy is a compass of something that you either want or don't want in life

Noah Kagan · 20:30
#comparison#jealousy#clarity#goals
Takeaway35:30

We're only proud of the things we had to work for

Reflecting on pride, Kagan notes we're proud of things because we genuinely wanted them and because they were hard. When Teachable sold and he suddenly had money he didn't have to work for, he felt no real pride in it. Pride and growth both come from doing the uncomfortable, effortful things — getting on stage, doing the coffee challenge — not from easy wins or passive outcomes.

  • Pride comes from wanting something and working for it
  • Unearned windfalls don't produce real pride
  • Growth happens at the edge of discomfort
  • Use discomfort as a compass toward growth

we're proud of the things we actually had to work for which is a little counter-intuitive

Noah Kagan · 36:00
#pride#growth#discomfort#effort
Takeaway39:00

In high school, be deliberate about who you surround yourself with

Kagan's advice to students: treat life like a buffet and try many things, but be intentional about your peer group. Growing up in San Jose, his classmates' norm was selling companies and becoming VPs at public companies, which set his own expectations high. He deliberately spent more time with the friends heading into tech — now a senior Stripe developer, an early Lyft employee — and less with those who were only 'cool in high school'.

  • Try many things — treat life like a buffet
  • Your peer group sets your expectations of normal
  • He chose friends aligned with his tech ambitions
  • Every profession is valid, but pick peers who match your goals

think about who you're surrounding yourself with

Noah Kagan · 39:30
#environment#peers#ambition#high-school
Takeaway43:30

Commit to publishing weekly for a year before judging results

Kagan's rule for building an audience: pick a medium that fits your style — words, audio, photos, video — and commit to publishing at least once a week for a full year before you allow yourself to stop or evaluate. He compares quitting early to his mom's watermelon diet: unsustainable and pointless. Abdaal echoes it, telling people who've made three videos to ask again after 50, because the learning comes from volume.

  • Pick the medium that fits your natural style
  • Publish weekly for a full year before judging
  • Sustainability matters more than intensity
  • Learning comes from churning out volume, not early feedback

you have to do it at least once a week for a year and you can't even think about stopping until after a year

Noah Kagan · 43:30
#consistency#content#audience#habits
Takeaway46:30

Detach from vanity metrics and focus on the process

Abdaal describes obsessively refreshing YouTube stats early on — celebrating going from 70 to 71 subscribers — until he realised around a couple thousand subscribers that watching metrics is pointless. The shift was to focus on the process of shipping two videos a week and ignore the views. Kagan adds his 'sex cache theory': creators must make the audience-pulling videos and also the experimental, creative ones that pay off long-term.

  • Early obsession with subscriber counts is a trap
  • Focus on the process of shipping consistently
  • Momentum begets momentum once the flywheel turns
  • The 'sex cache theory': balance crowd-pleasers with experimental work

momentum begets momentum

Ali Abdaal · 46:00

you have to do the videos that bring in the audience ... and then you also have to do the experimental stuff

Noah Kagan · 47:30
#metrics#process#creators#youtube