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Dr Aria06 April 2023

High Performance Coach: How To Build Psychological Resilience - Dr Aria

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Episode overview

Clinical psychologist Dr Aria explains resilience as accepting, processing, understanding, and growing through emotional pain before acting in line with one’s values and vision. Drawing on his depression, clinical work, and the end of his marriage, he argues that presence and responsibility create space between painful events and the mind’s fear-based narratives. He and Ali also explore vulnerability, authentic ambition, emotional awareness, and choosing inner truth over external validation.

Key ideas

  • Resilience involves acknowledging reality, releasing and processing emotion, inquiring into what the event triggers, and acting according to values and vision.
  • Pain, uncertainty, and change are unavoidable, but people can cultivate enough inner calm to choose their response.
  • The mind is a powerful tool rather than the whole self; its narratives often amplify suffering beyond the underlying event.
  • Vulnerability means risking hurt, yet sincere emotional disclosure can create intimacy, compassion, and deeper connection.
  • A useful personal vision begins with asking what one would love to experience or create, then taking practical steps toward it.
  • Responsibility is distinct from fault: owning one’s response preserves agency without accepting blame for another person’s actions.
  • External success can become a trap when fear of losing status, money, or an audience prevents movement toward more meaningful work.
  • Emotions should be acknowledged and allowed to settle before major decisions, because fear and anger can impair judgment.

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People · 14

  • Ali AbdaalMentionsthe ongoing podcast where every week I get the chance to sit down with inspiring authors, entrepreneurs, creators, and other inspiring people.

    what you're about to hear is an interview between me and Dr Arya

  • Dr AriaMentionsDr Arya is a clinical psychologist who specializes in psychological resilience

    Dr Arya is a clinical psychologist who specializes in psychological resilience

  • A. H. AlmaasMentionsmentioned

    there's a quote by A.H Almas which always stands by me

  • Alan WattsMentionsmentioned

    recently I've started reading you know a bunch of Alan Watts

  • Marcus AureliusMentionswhat marus was doing in his meditations was writing down things

    things are are not as easy as like Marcus aurelius's book made it seems

  • Dr AriaCoinedDr Arya is a clinical psychologist who specializes in psychological resilience

    I actually have an area framework

  • Royal RobbinsMentionsthis pioneering rock climbing and who'd scale Yosemite

    Royal Robin was one of my favorite quotes is from uh this pioneering rock climbing and who'd scale Yosemite

  • Dalai LamaMentionsmentioned

    the Dalai Lama and Devlin tutu there's just been a documentary created on Joy

  • Desmond TutuMentionsmentioned

    the Dalai Lama and Devlin tutu there's just been a documentary created on Joy

  • BuddhaMentionsmentioned

    the Buddha said it for there are three things which cannot be long hidden

  • Steve BartlettMentionsmentioned

    I talked about the story of my ex-wife uh on the diary field with Steve

  • SadhguruMentionsmentioned

    what I would more expect from someone like a sad Guru or you know uh spiritual teacher

  • Ryan HolidayMentionsfor me that's writing like writing the books is the main thing

    the voices of like you know Ryan holiday and all of the original stoics in my mind

  • Carl JungMentionsmentioned

    Carl Jung said until we bring the unconscious into the conscious it will direct our life and we will call it fate

Resources · 20

  • A Mindful YearCoinedbook · Dr Aria and co-author

    he's also the co-author of the best-selling book a mindful year

  • The TelegraphMentionsnewsletter

    he regularly features in Publications like the times and the Telegraph and Men's Health

  • The TimesMentionsnewsletter

    he regularly features in Publications like the times and the Telegraph and Men's Health

  • Men's HealthMentionsother

    he regularly features in Publications like the times and the Telegraph and Men's Health

  • YouTubeUseswebsite · Google

    according to the YouTube analytics 81 of you who are watching this on YouTube have not yet hit the Subscribe button

  • University College LondonMentionsplace

    did a doctorate in UCL in Clinical Psychology

  • Great Ormond Street HospitalMentionsplace

    then I worked at Great Ormond Street hospital

  • The Power of NowMentionsbook · Eckhart Tolle

    trying to understand the whole Zen thing like coming across um you know the power of now

  • HuelUsesproduct · Julian Hearn

    I have been a pain customer of huel since 2017

  • NutriBulletUsesproduct · Capital Brands

    I put them into my NutriBullet blender type thing

  • HuelRecommendsproduct · Julian Hearn

    if you like the idea of getting these cheap and healthy and nutritionally complete meals in your diet then head over to heel.com

  • Apple PayUsessoftware · Apple

    you can use Apple pay like I do initially

  • Trading 212Usessoftware · Trading 212

    you can use Apple pay like I do initially

  • Trading 212Recommendssoftware · Trading 212

    if you haven't yet started with investing and you want to give it a go then you can download the app

  • Mission: Joy — Finding Happiness in Troubled TimesMentionsdocumentary

    the Dalai Lama and Devlin tutu there's just been a documentary created on Joy

  • WeWorkUsescompany

    I have been a full paying customer of wework for the last two years

  • WeWorkRecommendscompany

    I'd 100 recommend wework

  • The Diary of a CEOMentionspodcast · Steven Bartlett

    I talked about the story of my ex-wife uh on the diary field with Steve

  • Niagara FallsMentionsplace

    going to the Niagara Falls taking the water and saying oh I've got the Niagara Falls in my bucket

  • World of WarcraftUsessoftware · Blizzard Entertainment

    in school I was a massive nerd and played World of Warcraft all evening

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Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take09:30

Your Obstacles Are Designed Specifically for You

Citing a quote from A.H. Almaas, Dr Aria argues that difficult situations are not random but are roadblocks created by a part of you that loves you, to lead you back to yourself. Obstacles can signal you are going the right way, because there is no growth without struggle and heat is what refines us.

  • Difficulties are not chance; they are specifically yours.
  • Obstacles can indicate you are heading in the right direction, not the wrong one.
  • There is no growth without struggle; painful experiences are why we change.
  • To be refined we need heat applied.

the obstacles are are fire and in order to be refined we need to apply heat there is no growth without struggle

Dr Aria · 10:00
#adversity#growth#meaning#struggle
Hot Take18:30

Seek Peace From Mind, Not Peace of Mind

Dr Aria reframes a common goal: the aim is not peace of mind but peace from mind. Because the mind follows certain principles, intimately knowing it lets you find stillness, and in those moments of stillness life becomes clear and you can see what went wrong and where to go next.

  • The goal is peace from mind, not peace of mind.
  • The mind follows knowable principles and rules.
  • Stillness brings clarity about what went wrong and the next step.
  • Your own psychology is usually the biggest barrier.

it's not about having peace of mind it's about having peace from mind and in those moments of Stillness life becomes so clear

Dr Aria · 19:00
#stillness#clarity#mind#self-mastery

Explainer· 8

Explainer08:30

Life as a Quest to Return to Your Truth

Dr Aria frames life as a quest to return to who you truly are. Growing up, you pick up beliefs, coping mechanisms, and armour through the accidents of birth and experience, and the journey is an unravelling of those layers. The path is not adding more but shedding what obscures your true self.

  • You accumulate armour and coping mechanisms to protect yourself as you grow up.
  • The quest is a shedding, not an acquiring, of identity.
  • Beliefs are shaped by the accidents of birth and personal experience.
  • Returning to your truth is the underlying direction of the whole conversation.

I see Life of a it's a quest if the quest to return to your truth

Dr Aria · 08:30

this Quest is an unraveling uh a shedding to return to who you truly are

Dr Aria · 09:00
#self-discovery#identity#spirituality#growth
Explainer12:00

The Mind Is a Tool, Not Who You Are

Dr Aria explains that the mind is an instrument that can be used for immense good or great harm, from building intimacy to devastating a relationship, from curing cancer to the atomic bomb. Self-awareness lets you see the mind as a tool rather than your identity, and he blends this clinical view with the spiritual, noting CBT grew from Stoicism and mindfulness from contemplative traditions.

  • The mind is an instrument, not your self.
  • The same tool can create closeness or destruction depending on how it is used.
  • Cognitive therapy grew out of Stoic philosophy; mindfulness from Buddhist and yogic practice.
  • The spiritual and the scientific are intimately intertwined.

the mind is a tool it's not who we are it is a an instrument and we can use that instrument for immense good or…

Dr Aria · 12:30
#mind#self-awareness#psychology#spirituality
Explainer50:30

Vulnerability Is the Ultimate Strength

Dr Aria argues vulnerability, the ability to be hurt, is the ultimate strength because it is truth, and truth cannot be hidden. When you share your genuine feeling, it opens the other person's heart and transforms the connection. He illustrates with a moment from his own new relationship where naming his fear of being hurt dissolved it and deepened intimacy.

  • Vulnerability is the ability to be hurt, and the mind will move to protect you from it.
  • Not sharing your truth costs you connection, intimacy, and power.
  • Sharing truth moves something from the unconscious to the conscious, and the fear dissolves.
  • When you open your heart, it opens the other person's heart.

vulnerability is the ability to be hurt so it's understandable that your mind will not want you to be hurt

Dr Aria · 50:30

when we share truth of how we truly feel when someone opens their heart it opens the other person's heart

Dr Aria · 1:10:00
#vulnerability#truth#relationships#connection
Explainer1:04:00

Anger Is a Surface Emotion Masking Deeper Hurt

Dr Aria describes anger as a superficial, secondary emotion that masks a deeper hurt, and notes a gender pattern: men often struggle to feel anything but anger, while women may know their feelings but not share them. Anger is empowering, which is why the mind reaches for it instead of the more vulnerable pain underneath.

  • Anger is a surface emotion masking a deeper hurt.
  • Men often can only identify anger; women often feel but do not share.
  • Anger feels empowering, whereas hurt feels exposing.
  • The work is to safely explore the hurt beneath the anger.

anger is a superficial emotion it's almost like a secular emotion it'll be a masking a deeper hurt

Dr Aria · 1:04:00
#emotions#anger#gender#self-awareness
Explainer1:07:30

When You Feel a Negative Emotion, Clean Your Own Lens First

Dr Aria offers a windscreen analogy: as you drive through life, dirt flicks onto your lens, and then you blame the landscape for looking muddy. Any anger, resentment, or frustration toward another is a signal that something within you needs attention. Trying instead to control reality and other people, he warns, is the opposite of love.

  • A negative emotion toward someone points to something within you, not just them.
  • Like a dirty windscreen, the problem is often your lens, not the landscape.
  • It is your responsibility to look at what is being triggered within you.
  • Where there is control there is no love; where there is love there is no control.

there's nothing wrong with outside it's your lens that's what we need to clean first

Dr Aria · 1:08:00

where there's love there's no control where there's control there's no love

Dr Aria · 1:09:00
#emotions#responsibility#relationships#projection
Explainer1:47:00

The Burrito Test: What Hurts You Reveals What You Judge in Yourself

Dr Aria argues we can only be hurt by what we already judge in ourselves. Being called a burrito does not sting because no part of you believes it; an insult only wounds if part of you holds the same judgment. He ties this to online comments and to a partner's remark landing only when it touches a belief you already carry.

  • You can only be hurt by a judgment you already hold about yourself.
  • Being called a burrito does not sting because you do not believe it.
  • The online comments that hurt are the ones with a grain of truth.
  • The level of evolution is proportional to how much truth you can hold without running away.

if we ever feel hurt or upset or resentful or angry about something part of us is holding that same judgment towards ourselves

Dr Aria · 1:46:30

the level of evolution is in direct proportion to the level of Truth we can hold without running away

Dr Aria · 1:48:30
#self-judgment#emotions#criticism#self-awareness
Explainer1:38:00

Naming an Emotion Reduces Its Intensity

Dr Aria notes that simply labelling an emotion decreases its intensity: identifying 'I am experiencing anger' strengthens circuitry in the prefrontal cortex and dampens the older, more primal emotional parts of the brain. The words a culture has for emotions shape the emotions people can experience, but what matters most is what is effective.

  • Labelling an emotion lowers its intensity on a neural level.
  • Naming a feeling engages the prefrontal cortex and quiets primal brain regions.
  • Cultures with different emotion words experience different emotions.
  • When fear goes up, intellect goes down, so name the feeling before deciding.

labeling an emotion for instance decreases the intensity of the emotion

Dr Aria · 1:37:30

when fear goes up intellect goes down

Dr Aria · 1:39:00
#neuroscience#emotions#regulation#decision-making
Explainer1:52:00

The Conditioned Self vs the True Self

Dr Aria distinguishes the conditioned self, an identity the mind constructs from the accidents of birth, from the true self, which is consciousness whose nature is love and truth. Much self-improvement, he warns, rests on the premise that you are not enough. The mind says get everything in place then feel at peace; the soul says be at peace and everything else falls into place.

  • The identity you call 'you' is a construction of the mind.
  • The true self is consciousness, whose nature is love and truth.
  • Much self-improvement assumes you are not enough as you are.
  • The mind is a terrible predictor of what will make you happy.

the mind says I need to get everything in place and then I'll feel at peace the soul says be at peace and everything else…

Dr Aria · 1:53:30
#identity#self-improvement#consciousness#spirituality

Story· 2

Story42:00

Love Is Two People Drinking From Their Own Cup

Drawing on a Persian poet, Dr Aria describes love not as becoming one but as two people together yet independent, drinking from their own cup. He likens it to a cypress and an oak standing close enough to share, far enough not to be in each other's shadow, echoing Ali's own description of shared-yet-independent presence.

  • Love is not merging into one but being together while independent.
  • The image is two pillars of a building, both part of it yet separate.
  • Partners should be close but not in each other's shadow.
  • You can feel connection while each doing your own thing in the same space.

love is not to becoming one but two people being together in the same place but drinking from their own cup

Dr Aria · 42:30
#relationships#intimacy#independence#love
Story1:33:30

The Farmer's Horse: Good Luck, Bad Luck, Who Knows

Dr Aria retells the parable of the farmer whose horse runs away, returns with wild horses, whose son breaks his leg taming one, then is spared conscription because of the injury. At each turn the villagers judge it good or bad, and the farmer replies 'good luck, bad luck, who knows.' The mind labels each moment success or failure without seeing the bigger picture.

  • Each event looks good or bad, but the outcome keeps reversing.
  • The mind assigns snap judgments of success or failure.
  • We only ever read one line of a much longer story.
  • Faith is trusting the picture is unfolding beyond what you can see.

the mind will assign each moment of good or bad success or failure but we're not seeing the bigger picture

Dr Aria · 1:34:30
#perspective#judgment#acceptance#parable

Q&A· 2

Q&A36:00

Finding Your Vision by Asking 'What Would You Love?'

Asked how an individual finds their values and vision, Dr Aria offers the simplest question: what would you love? He walks Ali through it live, showing that answers dismissed as cliche, like intimacy, closeness, and connection, are actually the most powerful and meaningful forces in life, and that the work is to keep returning to and acting from that truth.

  • The core question for vision and values is 'what would you love?'
  • Answers that feel cliche are often the deepest truths.
  • Closeness, intimacy, and connection are among the most powerful human forces.
  • The task is to keep returning to what you would love most and let it direct you.

the simplest question would be what would you love like Ali what Would You Love

Dr Aria · 36:00

that's our task for Ali to keep on returning to what you would love most

Dr Aria · 43:30
#vision#values#purpose#coaching
Q&A1:55:30

Confidence Is an Illusion: Build Specific Skills Instead

Pressed by Ali on wanting to be 'more confident,' Dr Aria calls confidence an idea the mind attaches, arguing you are neither confident nor not confident, you just are. The productive move is to drop the vague trait and instead name concrete skills, such as public speaking or guitar, that you can measurably practise, without letting a self-judgment become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • 'Confident' is a label the mind attaches, not a fixed truth.
  • Treating yourself as 'unconfident' becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
  • Swap the vague trait for specific, improvable skills.
  • Skills training helps, but it does not resolve the mind's belief that you are not good enough.

the truth is you are neither confident nor not confident you just are

Dr Aria · 1:56:30
#confidence#skills#self-belief#growth